01 What makes it unique
The 380DB is the family Cedar Creek. A loft and a double bunk give it the most sleeping capacity in the line — up to ten — and a dual-entry layout with two full baths keeps a full household moving, a rare configuration in a luxury fifth wheel. A central kitchen, a main-room lounge and a private front bedroom with a king bed complete a plan built around children and guests. The full Cedar Creek build carries through across four slide-outs: the 101-inch widebody Z-frame, 3M-bonded fiberglass sidewalls and the Rhino Box hitch.
Packing that much family layout into the coach uses up the payload. Forest River lists a published 16,815-pound GVWR against the 15,024-pound dry weight, leaving a 1,791-pound payload — the tightest in the line — and a 2,815-pound dry pin. An 82-gallon black tank serves the two baths. Dual Coleman MACH 8 15,000-BTU air conditioners, a 20-cubic-foot stainless refrigerator and a 200-watt solar package are standard; with the tightest payload of any plan, careful loading and a weight-conscious approach to water and gear matter most here.
At a starting MSRP around $133,000 it is the line’s dedicated bunk coach, and dealers discount it well below the placard. For a family that needs ten berths, two full baths and dual entries in a luxury fifth wheel — and that loads carefully against the tight payload — the 380DB is the family Cedar Creek.
02 Full specifications
Dimensions
- Exterior length
- 43' 5"
- Exterior width
- 8' 5"
- Exterior height
- 13' 1"
- Interior height
- 8' 0"
Weights
- Dry / unit base weight (UVW)
- 15,024 lbs
- GVWR (max loaded)
- 16,815 lbs
- Net cargo / payload (CCC)
- 1,791 lbs
- Dry pin (hitch) weight
- 2,815 lbs
Capacities
- Fresh water
- 75 gal
- Grey water
- 82 gal
- Black water
- 82 gal
- Refrigerator
- 20 cu ft
Construction
- Frame
- Z-frame · 101" widebody
- Walls
- All-aluminum superstructure on 16" centers · 3M bonded fiberglass
- Roof
- AlphaPly™ TPO · limited-lifetime warranty
- Underbelly
- Heated front storage · 12V tank pads · ABS panels
Running gear
- Axles
- 2 (7,000 lb tandem)
- Hitch
- Fifth-wheel (in-bed) · 21,000-lb Rhino Box
- Suspension
- Road Armor™ · wet bolts · ABS brakes
- Tires
- Goodyear™ on 7K axles
Galley & bath
- Cooktop
- 4-burner gas oven · pull-out pan drawer
- Refrigerator
- 20 cu ft
- A/C
- 30,000 BTU (dual Coleman MACH 8 15K)
- Water heater
- Suburban ST-60 · 60,000 BTU tankless
Sleeping & layout
- Sleeps
- 10
- Slides
- 4
- Entries
- 2
- Awnings
- 1 (15')
- Primary bed
- King
Verified specs, drawn to scale
Original graphics built from this floorplan’s own verified figures.
Loaded weight budget
Size, drawn to scale
Holding tanks
These graphics are generated from the same verified record that builds the table above, and are published under this site’s own licence — nothing here is traced from, or derived from, a manufacturer drawing or photo. Where a figure is not published for this plan, the graphic that would need it is omitted rather than estimated. The full record is in the published dataset.
What it takes to tow this
Built from this floorplan’s verified weights. We publish the trailer side only.
We do not publish tow ratings for specific trucks. A single model can vary by thousands of pounds depending on engine, axle ratio, cab, drivetrain and package — the only authoritative figure is the one on your own door jamb. Loaded pin percentages are industry convention for fifth wheels (15–25% of loaded weight), not a measurement of this unit. Hitch classes are not used here as a rating: SAE J684 covers trailers to 10,000 lb GVWR and does not define Class V, and capacity boundaries differ between manufacturers — read the rating stamped on your hitch. On this plan the convention band’s low end fell below the published dry figure, so the range starts at the published dry weight instead — loaded is never lighter than dry.
03 The Cedar Creek floorplan family
Cedar Creek is Forest River's flagship full-size luxury fifth wheel and the first Forest River fifth wheel in this catalog — a direct rival to Keystone's Montana and Grand Design's Solitude. The 2027 fifth-wheel line runs to eight floorplans, and all eight are profiled here in full. The 380DB on this page is highlighted; each other plan links to its own page.
| Floorplan | Nominal | Sleeps | Notable |
|---|---|---|---|
| 290RL | 35 ft | 4 | Rear-living entry, lightest, biggest payload |
| 361RL | 40 ft | 4 | Rear-living couples, swivel recliners |
| 385RK | 42 ft | 4 | Rear kitchen, bath-and-a-half, outside TV |
| 383FB | 42 ft | 4 | Rear living + front bath suite |
| 390RKB | 43 ft | 8 | Rear kitchen + loft/bunk, family |
| 398FL | 43 ft | 4 | Front living, 5 slides, 65" TV |
| 380DB | 43 ft | 10 | Double bunk, dual entry, two full baths |
| 381MUD | 43 ft | 8 | Murphy bed + loft, bath-and-a-half |
Cedar Creek is Forest River's flagship full-size luxury fifth wheel and the natural Montana and Solitude cross-shop. The 2027 line runs to eight floorplans, all profiled here. Every plan rides on the same 101-inch widebody Z-frame chassis with an all-aluminum superstructure on 16-inch centers, 3M bonded fiberglass sidewalls, a 21,000-pound Rhino Box hitch, Road Armor suspension and a heated, enclosed front storage compartment, and ships with two 15,000-BTU Coleman MACH 8 air conditioners, a 20-cubic-foot stainless refrigerator, a 60,000-BTU tankless water heater, a residential kitchen island, 200-watt solar with a 1,000-watt inverter and a 72-by-80-inch king bed as standard. The lighter, sub-17,000-pound-GVWR plans run 7,000-pound axles; the four 18,000-pound-GVWR plans run 8,000-pound axles. Hitch weight, GVWR, UVW and CCC are published per plan on the Forest River factory pages, and each plan's UVW plus CCC equals its GVWR exactly. Real loaded pin weights run higher — always weigh the loaded coach and confirm against your truck's payload and rear-axle ratings.
04 What owners & reviewers report
Sleeps up to ten
A loft plus a double bunk — the most sleeping capacity in the line, built for larger families.
Two full baths + dual entry
Two full bathrooms and two exterior doors — a rare household-friendly configuration in a luxury fifth wheel.
Tightest payload in the line
A 1,791-lb payload — the least of any plan — means careful loading and a weight-conscious approach to water and gear.
Big black tank for two baths
An 82-gallon black tank serves the two full baths — holding capacity scaled to a full household.
05 How it compares
The rear-kitchen family plan — a loft and bunk with a rear galley, a roomier payload and one bath.
The Murphy-bed plan — a front-living, bath-and-a-half coach on the heaviest chassis with a roomier payload.
Keystone’s bunkhouse luxury plan — the direct full-size-luxury-FW family cross-shop.
06 Loading it for a trip
Fresh water is the single biggest line in this floorplan’s load plan. A full 75-gallon tank is about 35% of the 1,791-pound cargo capacity — enough that whether you tow with water aboard is a real decision on the 380DB rather than a detail.
| Weight budget | Figure | What it means |
|---|---|---|
| Cargo capacity as published (CCC) | 1,791 lb | Everything you add: gear, water, propane, batteries, food, people’s belongings. |
| Fresh tank filled (75 gal × 8.34 lb) | −626 lb | Water is the heaviest thing most owners add, and it is added first. |
| Cargo budget left with a full fresh tank | 1,165 lb | 35% of this plan’s capacity is spent before a single bag is loaded. |
| Per sleeping position, water aboard | 117 lb | A rough share of what is left across the 10 berths this plan sleeps. |
The published dry pin weight of 2,815 pounds is 19% of this floorplan’s 15,024-pound dry weight. Fifth-wheel pin weight rides in the bed of the truck, so it comes off payload rather than off tow rating — and it rises with the trailer as you load it, not in proportion to what you put over the axles.
Nothing above changes the ceiling. Loaded to its 16,815-pound GVWR the 380DB is towing 1,791 pounds more than its 15,024-pound dry figure, and that is the number your vehicle has to be rated for — not the brochure weight.
Tank balance is generous here: 75 gallons of fresh against 82 grey and 82 black, so waste capacity keeps pace with supply and the fresh tank is the constraint that ends a dry stay.
07 Where this floorplan sits
Ranked by GVWR, the 380DB sits 3 of 8 in the Cedar Creek line: 16,815 pounds against a line that runs from 16,095 to 18,000 pounds. That position is the useful thing to know, because the plans immediately either side of it are the real alternatives.
Either side of it in the same line: Cedar Creek 361RL is 190 pounds lighter at 16,625 lb GVWR; and Cedar Creek 390RKB is 45 pounds heavier at 16,860 lb GVWR.
| Comparable fifth wheels | GVWR (lb) | Dry (lb) | Sleeps | Length |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 380DB | 16,815 | 15,024 | 10 | 43 ft 5 in |
| Influence 3203GK | 16,800 | 12,712 | 3 | 35 ft 11 in |
| Nightfall 350N | 16,790 | 12,319 | — | 40 ft 6 in |
| Columbus 379MBL | 16,785 | 14,664 | — | 42 ft 7 in |
| Puma Mesa 379MBL | 16,785 | 14,664 | — | 42 ft 7 in |
| Montana High Country 373RD | 16,780 | 13,399 | 8 | 41 ft 4 in |
| Wolf Pack 352PACK15 | 16,745 | 12,768 | — | 45 ft 0 in |
Against the 380DB: the Influence 3203GK is 15 lb lighter and 8 ft shorter and sleeps 7 fewer; the Nightfall 350N is 25 lb lighter and 3 ft shorter; the Columbus 379MBL is 30 lb lighter. Those are differences in the published numbers only — what they cost, how they are built and how they live are separate questions each of those pages answers on its own terms.
Those are the nearest fifth wheels from other lines by weight — one per line, picked by proximity on that figure and nothing else. They are listed so the same tow vehicle can be checked against real alternatives, not because they are equivalent inside; layout, build and price diverge sharply across that group.
For scale, the Cedar Creek floorplans profiled here run 12,254 to 15,429 pounds dry and 35 to 43 feet of exterior length across 8 plans. Where a floorplan falls in that spread usually says more about which vehicle can tow it, and which site it fits, than the layout name does.
Every profiled floorplan in this line, with the full weight table, is on the Cedar Creek line hub.
08 Common questions about the 380DB
How much does the 380DB weigh?
It leaves the factory at 15,024 pounds dry, and its manufacturer-set loaded ceiling (GVWR) is 16,815 pounds. Real towing weight lands between the two and depends entirely on what you load. Use the GVWR when matching a tow vehicle; the dry figure is only useful for comparing floorplans against each other.
How much can the 380DB carry?
Cargo carrying capacity is 1,791 pounds. That is the whole budget: water, propane, batteries, gear and everything you bring. Filling the 75-gallon fresh tank uses about 626 pounds of that.
What is the pin weight of the 380DB?
The published dry pin weight is 2,815 pounds. It is measured empty; loaded, it runs higher, and it comes out of your tow vehicle’s payload rather than its tow rating.
What size tow vehicle does the 380DB need?
Your vehicle needs a tow rating of at least 16,815 pounds — this floorplan’s GVWR — and enough payload left over for the hitch load, passengers and anything in the bed. This site does not publish tow ratings for specific vehicles, because one truck model varies by thousands of pounds across engine, axle ratio, cab and package. The figure that governs is the payload sticker on your own door jamb.
How many people does the 380DB sleep?
It is rated to sleep 10. Rated sleeping positions include convertible furniture, so count the beds against how you actually travel rather than against the number.
What are the tank capacities on the 380DB?
Fresh 75 gallons, grey 82 gallons, black 82 gallons. Tank sizes set how long the floorplan can sit away from hookups, and the smallest of the three is what ends the stay.
How long is the 380DB?
Exterior length is 43' 5". Measure against your site length and your storage before committing — the exterior figure is the one that has to fit, and it includes the tongue or pin box.
Every figure in these answers is read from this page’s verified specification table. Where the manufacturer publishes nothing, the question is not answered rather than estimated.
09 What this page publishes, and what it does not
This catalog tracks 18 specification fields per floorplan. Named sources publish 18 of them for the 380DB. The rest are not shown, because the alternative is reading a figure across from a sibling floorplan or from what the segment usually does — and a number nobody published is worth less than an admitted gap.
Not published for this floorplan: tire size (a tire description is published, a size is not). If you find one of these in a manufacturer document for this plan, it belongs on this page.
The completeness figure at the foot of this page (98%) measures the same thing on the full field set: it is a measurement of how much this floorplan’s manufacturer publishes, not of how much research went into the page.
How every figure here was sourced and checked is set out on the methodology page.
11 NHTSA safety record
This floorplan belongs to the Cedar Creek line, and NHTSA holds 19 recall campaigns and 64 owner complaints against that line. They are separate records and are not added together — a recall is a manufacturer-confirmed defect with a remedy; a complaint is one owner’s account, which NHTSA does not verify.
What to look at on a used one. Across the 64 complaints filed on this line the most-reported components are tires (23%), suspension (20%) and equipment (19%). That is where owners of this family have had trouble, so it is where an inspection is worth the time.
Recall coverage is not complete — our harvest of NHTSA’s recall API ran 1,556 queries, of which 0 failed and 242 returned an explicit zero. A line can still be under-reported where NHTSA files a roster under a parent name, or where a match rests on the wording of the recall rather than its model field. Complaints come from the complete bulk file but are unverified and self-selected: a high count tracks how many units a line sold at least as much as how well it was built. Check a specific VIN at NHTSA before you buy. Full tables are on the Cedar Creek line page.